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# Dude X Says:
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
He thinks he knows better because of some deep thinking… What anarrogant little brat to think he is the only one who knows the”reality”, that there are no gods etc…I read that he had plenty of Nazi propaganda in his youtube page. Atypical nazi, they’re usually the same: they think they know better andtherefore are allowed to be vieolent to the “lesser” people.Well, this just show that society can’t really do anything if someone isthat fucked up.
Гы, как все просто.
# Limpan Says:
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Indeed he only mentions problems, no solution, and i dont see his point,what will what he did change? He speaks highly of justice, but whatjustice is there in killing innocents?
Невинных? Просто принцип домино.., толкают тебя, ты толкаешь другого... И это намного интересней, чем обычная справедливость. Как говорится "падающего толкни".
# mike Says:
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
I’ve studied some of Nietzsche’s works. He detested Christianity becausehe believed it was a life-denying religion concoted by slaves rebellingagainst their masters. Nietzsche argued for a life-affirming moralitythat would overcome the herd mentality not only of Christianity, butalso its secular off-shoot (socialism, liberalism, etc…). In fact, healso believed that German Nationalism was a kind of herd mentality. Ifanything , I think Nietzsche was a radical individualist who believed incelebrating and affirming life, not destroying it. I don’t know what hisposition on suicide was, but he might have not been against it (maybesomeone could enlighten us). However, I dont think that a mass murderwould have been his Zarathustra. In fact, in one of his videos, Auvinenexpresses his hatred for himself and the world. I think Nietzschewould’ve considered him a life-hating weakling.
Ненавидящий жизнь?? Смотря что понимать под "жизнью".. Кто-нибудь представляет что такое Сверхчеловек и ЧТО есть жизнь Сверхчеловека? То что "все" называют "жизнью" является слишком человеческим пониманием действительности.
"Ницше был радикальный индивидуалист" - ага, конечна) Бежать в свое уединение от жужжания общества это пиздец какой индивидуализм, да еще из шкур семи одиночеств... Ницшеанское мнение - "существуют боги, а не Бог".
"Утверждать жизнь, а не разрушать" - активный нигилизм (разрушение) есть необходимый признак восходящей, утверждающийся жизни.
"Позиция Pekke относительно суицида..." - это его решение, каждый волен выбирать, когда ему удобней.
"Ницше посчитал бы его **** слабаком" (или как там) - =), зайдем с подветренной стороны... Исус Христос поднимал поднимал штангу весящую центнер или более (как "Бог" и не мог поднять штангу? О_о), не обещал скрежет зубовный и геену огненную (жесть! ведь это ж ненависть!), не обещал снести нафик какой-то там храм (религиозный экстремистЪ, йопт), не считал себя царем иудейским... (мания величия или/и политический экстремистЪ). ...А потом оказался прибитым к кресту как последний преступник...для античного человека известие что "Бог" оказался преступником и был осужден людьми, вместо того, чтобы мило стебаться над людьми (как и положено олимпийцам)являясь перед ними в разных обличиях и так далее, было шоком и переворотом всего мировоззрения. ...
Во-вторых, Ницше говорил - "мои тексты одно, я - совсем другое". Он вообще загремел в дурку... Хотя он похоже и не претендовал на становление Сверхчеловеком...читайте его "Се человек".
В-третьих, кулачное правило это социал-дарвинизм, который не имеет никакого отношения к философии жизни Ницше.... (у Ницше все определяется сильной или слабой Волей-к-Власти/Могуществу) Надо сказать, что кулаки надо набивать при любом мировоззрении, даже буддистам-пофигистам.
# Rand Says:
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
@mikeNietzsche’s thoughts on suicide are various; he often took a stance forit against the christian view on it and certainly had suicidal thoughtshimself often enough, which he later on dismissed as a part f hisnihilistic period.Oh, and on a side note: Fascism =/= german nationalismNietsche tried to give an outline for exactly this kind of individualsto survive the modern world; but already the first Nietzschean afterhis death: Otto Weininger commited suicide, and many after.Nietzsche himself was full of contradictions between his philosophy andlife: for instance the Richard Wagner case.However Nietzsche did not witness the 30s and their chances; which areover now. Who knows what he would have done today? or Beethoven? Mayberetreat to some cave? Or do the same as mister Auvinen?Conservative Revolution now!
Ну, да. У Ницше было много противоречий между его философией и жизнью.
# embassy Says:
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
This was really an extra lesson of psychology.If I had nobody to call…If I had nobody to talk…If my parents were only thin air to me…If I had not any friendly relatives around…I’d probably imagine. I’d probably read. Something not so happy in bothcases, because I dunno what’s to be happy. I am what they give to me, asa child. I copy my parents, I copy my environment. Then I may grow to bean ass. I may be great an actor, because of my imagination, because ofthe hours spend alone and thought things, thought me and the others,instead of living with friends. I might don’t even know what it is tohave a friend to care about you, not just me caring of my friend?So I’m a freak to everyone “normal”. And normals are a group. And freaksare one too. They both want some thoughts of their own to be exchangedwith someone.What if no one cares?Then you might think you are better.Then you might generalize ppl to some definition, retarded to you, foran example. And you are retarded to them. You can have your shield stillon (smile, decent outlook), inside you go… No older people around togive you some perspective of the world…Don’t know how to act withpeople anymore…Don’t like this “I love you stuff”, because no oneloved you…And so you think no one ever will…You realize you are smart enough to understand some concentrationrequired material because of your spare time - that isn’t “spoiled” withfriendships…Then you stuff yourself with some logics. No matter what. Some systemthat gives you even temporary good feeling goes. You notice you aren’tjust a rat, you understand! Then you may elevate yourself, if you liketo read material written by people called themselves as elites (peoplewho write material that isn’t on newspapers).Read read read…there’s not much nothing else to do…Maybe that takes the pain away…read long enough teh same book and youbecome the author at the time he wrote it….And as we know, every company isn’t good one.Even every book isn’t good one.And we tend to become tomorrow what we did yesterday - some Hitlermaterial and….rest is imaginable.—–Random thoughts about this horrifying incident and the making of it.I see many people are so much blaming the maker who is gone forever…Itry to rather understand, as I’ve felt and thought the system and it’sgatekeepers somewhat same way sometimes too. I still believe peacefulapproaches of friendlier world.Blessings, Jokela. Take care of yourself and the people next to you.May the good feeling now take the evil’s place.
Бла-бла-бла, но весьма интересно.
# paul s c Says:
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Don´t take this guy for a prophet. He was a very sick kid and he diedfor his cause, but there are many people AMONG YOU that will follow him.I repeat what I said in another blog, SATAN IS HERE, but he is not theantichrist. The one you are looking for is in our way of life, insideourselves. In the acts we do and the things we think. I think he has hisour personal hell, as we do.Bye
Бля, "больной", "сатана"... афтар эт серьезно??
А в адЪ Pekka не попадет (гы), не надейтесь.
# Anth Says:
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Let’s be honest about Nietzsche : this Sturmgeist was and is afountainhead of fascism with his calls for the systematic eradication ofthe weak, the elimination of democracy and the natural right of thestrong to commit crime without moral scruple. The German nationalism hedespised was the civilized variety which he himself experienced ; thesort of nationalism that he advocated was based on the “pure blood” of”Aryan humanity”, as opposed to “Christianity, growing from Jewishroots, and only understandable as a product of this soil”. He taughtthat “Wickedness is mankind’s best power”, and depicts as his hero a”blond beast” emerging from a bloody massacre with a clear conscience,knowing that he belonged to the Master Race. The first 2 lines ofPekka-Eric’s hate-list would coincide exactly with Nietzsche’s.I think it’s high time we started putting clearer labels on our poisonbottles.
Обычный пиздежж основанный на анти-нацистской пропаганде.
# piu (Finland) Says:
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
I can’t even begin to explain how sad I am that people have to hurt eachother this way. My sympathies go to everyone who have been touched bythis tragedy.On my mind there has been one question above all others: how can we helppeople who are sick?I don’t know if it is justified to argue like this but I don’t thinkthat it was in Pekka-Eric’s true nature to do something like this. Idon’t believe that he had always felt like this about other people andhimself. I believe that he must have felt love and cared about others atsome point in his life. I believe that he was sick and the sickness inhim made him evil.This is why I’m asking how can we help people who are sick. His sicknessdoes not make right any wrongs that he did, but could it help usunderstand how fragile the human mind is. And when tortured enough bybullies in school and your own insecurity, it makes you seek comfortwith desperate measures (like in violence) and feeling of belonging inothers who have sought relief with similar actions (referring to EricHarris, Dylan Klebolt, etc.).Do people with this severe mental illness understand the differencebetween right and wrong?(I hope that you take this the right way: I’m not saying that this isOK, I’m not saying that there is some justification or rationale behindthis, I’m just asking how we could prevent these kinds of horrors fromhappening again.)
Как мило. Человек вопрошает как предотвратить такие происшествия... Думаю что никак. Это все равно что столкнуться заклятым врагам на узкой, горной тропинке....
# from finland Says:
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
I actually kind of admire pekka. He was very smart if you think hisactions deeply. He was not crazy, he knew what he was doing.
Да, он знал, что делал.
# Just a comment Says:
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
This is some looser who probably went sick (=out of his mind) because ofmedication and isolation. It is a critical step when you see that you’regrown up “old” and you should take some responsibility, easier to throwcritical comments and then put “show on”, and not to takeresponsibility. This is a looser guy/gay, i am sorry, some “small kidwithout love” from darkest corner of mothers apartment, where motherreally did not recall where he left her baby. Take care! This is notreally that family is bad or something, it is not easy to find out whatchildren are thinking about. Anyway this is sick! If this so bravesolider would have gone to army, it could have shown some rightdirection where to put energy, or do something else intelligent(Ãœber-man yeah!!!, kills himself to TOILET? Right?!! Brave soldier??).Sad, really sad :-((( Not right, not right at all! I am so sorry.
Pekka посылал на хуй обывателя и ему еще предлагают идти в армию защищать тех, кого он посылает? Жесть какая!
# Me Says:
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Intelligent? Did he knew the right meaning of that word?
Похоже Pekka знал значение выражения "новые философы"....
# Anth Says:
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
This was more of a hate-suicide than a murder. Nietzsche claims yet morevictims. If this intelligent young Finn had turned to Christ rather thanto a Satanist for the answers to his lonely, perceptive confusion, hemight have learned that Intelligence does not imply Goodness ; indeed,it can make you vulnerable to forget the simple truths that a childunderstands better than a philosophy professor.May the Lord comfort the distressed in their grief at this time.
Если бы, да кабы... Pekka говорил в Манифесте, что по сравнению с массой людей он - богоподобен. Он совсем не считал себя богом. + Он был как дитя также невинен и по ту сторону добра и зла...
# gracemei65 Says:
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
This young guy was totally controlled by Satan and killed innocent kids.his death is not over. he will face God last judgement and be thrown inthe Hell forever
Угу, а поебацца не завернуть??)
# Anonymous Says:
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
He was a sad fuck, and I hope he gets raped in hell. My honest opinion.
Как мило) Аффтару сего того же самого только в реале. :)
# JP Says:
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
He’s my new hero.Heil Pekka-Eric Auvinen
Heil!
# FourthMan Says:
November 14th, 2007 at 10:54 pm
In reply to Marie - the pen is mightier then the sword, but you must always keep a sword handy for when the pen fails.
Ага, согласен.
# Anonymous Says:
November 20th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
What a fag….this c*nt is just another copy cat columbine killer…
i meen come on “Natural Selection” jesus christ atleast if u plan to kill people choose something more original.
This guy was probli homosexual as well.
This guy really didnt understand anything at all.
Lets think like him for a second, hmm the cat has annoyed me and is retarded i know what i should do “Kill the entire cat race, complete genocide of the cat race”. Solution? More like the problem least he killed himself, he shouldv relli done that at the beginin; to think that rat used up our precious oxygen….His parents shouldv took him out back and shoot him like a pig.
О, бляяяя. Насекомое вылезло из щелей, дихлофосом...
# Tiberiu Says:
December 23rd, 2007 at 4:11 pm
Pekka-Eric .. a true hero. I will always admire his courage and wisdom.
He was the real victim in this story.. May that he will inspire others to take action against corruption! Die democracy! Die consumerism!
Согласен. Восхищен.
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